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	<title>Comments on: Deploy the Emergency Backup White Male! Drafting Gore for 2008 is a very bad idea</title>
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		<title>By: Stephen Dann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Dann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. When it comes to counting the US elections, I always return to the losses Gore suffered in Arkansas and Tennessee as the deciding factor in the vote.  With those two home states (clinton/gore states), there was never a Florida to factor into the equation.

2. I&#039;d hate to see the damage that the environment movement would suffer at the hands of the Republican election machine.  Swift Boat Veterans for Inconvenient Global Warming Truth springs to mind. There is a history of Democratic candidates getting monstered on smear tactics by attempting to rise above, but not actually rebutting sufficiently where/when it counted.

3. My belief is that Gore being parachuted into the party because it was a close race between Obama and Clinton would be a major slap in the face to the supporters of Clinton and Obama. It would drive down turn out, and it would hurt the party, and would disenfranchise a large number of people who are turning out because it&#039;s Clinton or Obama.

4. &lt;a href=http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hrtvqmnTKf30Espp4MqINkG4CFlwD8VOGGN00 rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;22% of American respondents &lt;/a&gt; were still picking Iraq as a high enemy.  There&#039;s a leverage base there that&#039;s going to be hard to counter unless it&#039;s actively addressed by the Democratic campaigns.  

5. I had $10 on Obama when he was 7 to 1 at Centrebet.
&lt;a href=http://centrebet.com/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Centrebet &lt;/a&gt; has OBAMA  1.95, MCCAIN, 2.85 and CLINTON 4.25 to win the election.

Still, I don&#039;t doubt that if Gore had started the match, he&#039;d be well close to winning it.  I say well close, because I think he&#039;d still be in the hunt against Obama and Clinton, and that a three way tie would be on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. When it comes to counting the US elections, I always return to the losses Gore suffered in Arkansas and Tennessee as the deciding factor in the vote.  With those two home states (clinton/gore states), there was never a Florida to factor into the equation.</p>
<p>2. I&#8217;d hate to see the damage that the environment movement would suffer at the hands of the Republican election machine.  Swift Boat Veterans for Inconvenient Global Warming Truth springs to mind. There is a history of Democratic candidates getting monstered on smear tactics by attempting to rise above, but not actually rebutting sufficiently where/when it counted.</p>
<p>3. My belief is that Gore being parachuted into the party because it was a close race between Obama and Clinton would be a major slap in the face to the supporters of Clinton and Obama. It would drive down turn out, and it would hurt the party, and would disenfranchise a large number of people who are turning out because it&#8217;s Clinton or Obama.</p>
<p>4. <a href=http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hrtvqmnTKf30Espp4MqINkG4CFlwD8VOGGN00 rel="nofollow">22% of American respondents </a> were still picking Iraq as a high enemy.  There&#8217;s a leverage base there that&#8217;s going to be hard to counter unless it&#8217;s actively addressed by the Democratic campaigns.  </p>
<p>5. I had $10 on Obama when he was 7 to 1 at Centrebet.<br />
<a href=http://centrebet.com/ rel="nofollow">Centrebet </a> has OBAMA  1.95, MCCAIN, 2.85 and CLINTON 4.25 to win the election.</p>
<p>Still, I don&#8217;t doubt that if Gore had started the match, he&#8217;d be well close to winning it.  I say well close, because I think he&#8217;d still be in the hunt against Obama and Clinton, and that a three way tie would be on.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston Ong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston Ong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure you&#039;re giving Gore the credit he deserves. 

1. He only narrowly lost against Bush 2000, and arguably under dubious circumstances

2. 2008 is a different time from 2000. Global warming has been elevated in status as an almost presumptive truth. Even the republicans have accepted it as a crucial election issue - Mccain and Huckabee have both stated their commitments to address it. Can you imagine how Mccain might measure up against Mr Inconvenient Truth and Nobel Prize Laureate? 

3. Re: the primary scorecard - primary contests gauge the support of candidates among the party&#039;s base. Come election time, dem primary voters are going to vote democrat even if it was Mondale Vs Reagan, let alone a Gore v McCain contest.

4. America is war weary and sick of the administration. This election is going to punish the GOP no matter what. 

5. Betfair is paying Obama $1.28 to get the nomination, but $2.18 to win the election.
Compare, paying Gore $18.50 to get the nomination, and only $21 to win the election.
McCain is $2.70 to win the election.
This means the betting market is saying in the improbable chance Gore gets the nomination, they&#039;re backing him to take out McCain - over, in the probable chance Obama gets the nomination, he has a proportionally less chance (though is still the favourite) to beat McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure you&#8217;re giving Gore the credit he deserves. </p>
<p>1. He only narrowly lost against Bush 2000, and arguably under dubious circumstances</p>
<p>2. 2008 is a different time from 2000. Global warming has been elevated in status as an almost presumptive truth. Even the republicans have accepted it as a crucial election issue &#8211; Mccain and Huckabee have both stated their commitments to address it. Can you imagine how Mccain might measure up against Mr Inconvenient Truth and Nobel Prize Laureate? </p>
<p>3. Re: the primary scorecard &#8211; primary contests gauge the support of candidates among the party&#8217;s base. Come election time, dem primary voters are going to vote democrat even if it was Mondale Vs Reagan, let alone a Gore v McCain contest.</p>
<p>4. America is war weary and sick of the administration. This election is going to punish the GOP no matter what. </p>
<p>5. Betfair is paying Obama $1.28 to get the nomination, but $2.18 to win the election.<br />
Compare, paying Gore $18.50 to get the nomination, and only $21 to win the election.<br />
McCain is $2.70 to win the election.<br />
This means the betting market is saying in the improbable chance Gore gets the nomination, they&#8217;re backing him to take out McCain &#8211; over, in the probable chance Obama gets the nomination, he has a proportionally less chance (though is still the favourite) to beat McCain.</p>
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